I am confused lol

I think ill go with C# then check out java

Java seems overwhelming with the all the j names and j2ee swing etc etc etc

C# ofcourse is windows only but windows isnt going anywhere..

if you have some advice shout it..

luckily enough the severe “drawbacks” of java have been solved or worked around by now by the likes of SWT, Applets in 1.6 (just check Quake2 running in an applet using opengl), JSF, TopLink, Java EE5, IceFaces with Ajax or countless other open source top notch frameworks basically for developing any kind of software. Of course, .NET also has these capabilities, actually Microsoft and the Sun led java community is in a healthy competition they are trying to implement each others best ideas even better in both directions. Only difference Java is multi-platform (in theory .NET also is i dont really know if there are any production level .NET implementations for other OS-s than win) and open source

Applies to :The World

Removing Java Support

As of July 8th 2008 Area 51 IT Solutions will no longer be supporting Java technologies. Sun Microsystems has failed to keep integrating Java technologies up to date on Windows Servers and make the integration process on the fly.

Its pretty bad when a server admin has to uninstall the latest version of a techonology and load a version 4 years older with all kinds of security holes and problems to make it work. Jrun is no longer compatible with latest version of JRE 1.6 and cannot be installed to run it on the fly.

Sun Micrsystems never realeased a offical filter for there latest version of JVM.dll to handle servlets or jsp, applets or any technology to handle pre hyper text request on open tag pages.

They never came out with a appropiate ISAPI Filter to scaline there JVM.dll . Java is dying and we refuse to integrate any technology that refuses to exceed customers expectations or security needs.

Area 51 IT Solutions Does not take Interest in Sun Microsystems and its lawsuits involving Microsoft.. We only care about the quality of the coding our customers recieve and Sun Microsystems fails to meet our standards.

I respect overall his points of views, but i don’t share those. Is true, in J2EE projects you have to know many specifications, but not at all!, this depends on the complexity of the project.

The author should matures himself, working in development houses where bit by bit he realizes to take a whole understanding of J2EE.

Thanks

Lastly, if you want to write something specific for windows go ahead, nobody’s sitting over your shoulder saying you have to make something platform independent (unless your boss is). Java is meant to be able to span OS’s and have the same functionality available with the same codebase, but if all that exists in your world are windows users then by all means write it specific to windows.

Java projects are only in crisis if those who code them are idiots.

These Java “cheerleaders” seem to be also the kind of guys who like to tinker with complex stuff, and challenge themself with difficult solutions – like it was a some sort of a game.

These are NOT the kind of guys who are interested in the project they are on, or about client satisfaction, or project schedule, maintainability, or simplicity.

Java sucks in many ways, but it takes perspective to see it.

One good proof, as someone mentioned above, is that Java projects are always in some sort of crisis. There is always some mystical technological hurdle to overcome.

Dev one: ‘just use 1.4.2 and it will be fine.

Dev two: ‘Ya, you will have to update to 1.50 update 6, sorry…good luck’

Dev three: ‘Ah, hey its Java…all I need to know is the browser and the version of JRE…’

Hey, thanks Sun. Guess what, they have NO solution and if you do some asking they just say, the developer of the application will need to look at that.

Christ, try to support 3 ‘mission critical’ Java applications and add to that a dozen outside apps that all seem to need a different JRE.

Yeah, real platform independant. Thanks Sun for empowering Developers to wash their hands of reality.

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Zef, I think you got another fan.. :) enjoy your holiday..

Swing is NOT slow. If I click a button and it takes a while…. it is PROBABLY BECAUSE THE CODE THE BUTTON TRIGGERS IS SLOW! Do not shoot the messenger! There have been many screwy sluggish Java apps out there, and many people blame the GUI because it is what they see.

Swing is NOT ugly. There are many look and feels out there that absolutely trump anything else on offer out there.

Swing IS difficult to master. It will take a good two to three years to become an expert in Swing. But the rewards are worth it. 500 pounds a day contracts are out there if you are willing to master it.

I don’t know what alternatives exist for Swing, but I can’t see any better GUI toolkit out there at the moment. The author who wrote this blog is clearly a moron.

Java in early years is considered as an adjustment stage. So it sucks! Just like you, you suck in your early years. Just like anybody else, One has to ask this question: “Am I productive in my formative years?”

You can just wait and see as it progress. BTW, bad comments are good, it helps us suck more.

More choices? meaning there’s great innovation going on.

Keeps changing? meaning there’s great renovation going on.

One has to stay its own camp, avoid sailing on two rivers. If your boat is sinking find another boat or fix the hole.

Maybe you will find a confluence by the year 3000.

long diffInMiliseconds = firstDate.getMillis() – secondData.getMillis();

Java doesn’t suck any more than any other language around. It just has its pros and cons.

require ‘date’ old = Date.parse ‘2005-06-17′ diff = (Date.today – old).to_i

..which gives you 333. Could’ve been written in one line as well. You can also write like old + 122 to get 2005-10-18. You can do the same stuff with the built-in Time class which will answer in seconds (one division needed).

But of course this language is a TOY.

I’m using .NET and it’s good. But I have so many troubles with it and VS: no CVS and no way to use SourceSafe over internet you can’t put two forms in a page /that is sooooo stupid/ the event model is weird, yes it works, but sometimes you are not sure what happens first and what second And guess what. I can’t choose the development IDE, I can’t choose the application/web server, I can’t choose the server’s OS.